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The Dark Knight Rises Plot Holes & Frustrations [SPOILER HEAVY]

Posted on July 23, 2012

The Dark Knight Rises is arguably the most anticipated film in the past four years, and rightfully so. It brings to life one of the most cherished superheroes of all time, and it also concludes one of the most successful film trilogies in history. But for reasons I can't even to begin to fathom, people have been labeling this a masterpiece. Really? Sure, the action set pieces are visually astonishing, and Hans Zimmer's score is fantastic, but this is hardly a masterfully done piece of cinema. Like The Dark Knight before it, there's a ton of inconsistencies, plot holes and horrible cuts and transitions between scenes.

Obviously, this post CONTAINS TONS OF MAJOR SPOILERS. PLEASE DO NOT READ AHEAD IF YOU HAVE NOT SEEN THE MOVIE YET !!!

Here are some of the big frustrations I had...

  • I'm going to start this off with my biggest WTF in the entire movie: John Blake figuring out the Bruce Wayne was the Batman. I mean, really? He knew that Bruce was Batman from simply looking at his face? Gazing into his eyes and a fucking smile gave away his identity? And what's even more frustrating is how Bruce doesn't do anything to deny it.
  • My second biggest WTF moment was when Bruce's back got fixed. Now, his back wasn't shown on screen, but if I remember correctly, the man who fixed it said that there were two bones protruding out of his flesh (uh... ouch?). So what does the man do? He punches them back in. Yeah. Seems legit. Then, in just about three months, Bruce is able to walk around again...
  • ... and that brings me to my next point! He tries climbing out of this prison pit, only to fail multiple times. Now, this isn't just a three foot fall. I'd say, it was roughly thirty/fifty plus. You would think, when plummeting down, the rope tied around his waist would snap his tender, still healing back. But nooooo, it doesn't. Batman was able to have a fully restored spine without any kind of medical treatment. All it took was a jab to the lower back and couple of days of standing upright while unconscious.
  • HOW THE FUCK DOES BRUCE GET BACK INTO GOTHAM? He has no money, no forms of identification, he's in the middle of nowhere (it looks like he's in Middle East Asia somewhere), he just recovered from near paralysis, and he has no way in communicating to the outside world. So yeah, how does he get back? And not only that, how the hell did he get into the city? The bridges are all down, there are military guards on each passageway, Bane's henchmen are all over the island, and the water surrounding the city is completely frozen.
  • And that brings me to my final frustration: Gotham City is about to get blown into bits, thousands of innocent lives are about to get turned into ashes, and what does Batman do? He decides to to show Gotham his artistic side, and create this HUGE Bat signal made of gasoline and flames. Good job Batman, now all the bad guys know you're back in the city.

And now... for a bunch of other stuff I disliked/noticed...

  • The very opening sequence: don't you find it hard to believe that the CIA would just let people on their plane without any kind of verification to who they are? Yeah, same here.
  • You would also think, a plane being used by the CIA would be able to detect an incoming, non-stealth aircraft hovering over them. Boy, doesn't Bane have it easy. He was also lucky he wasn't shot at first.
  • So, it's been eight years since the events of The Dark Knight. What has Bruce Wayne been doing all this time? Greving over Rachel's death? For almost a whole decade? I mean, Bruce is so sad, apparently he doesn't even bother going out, AT ALL. And because Bruce turns into this unsociable hermit, he loses some functionality to his legs, and needs to use a cane to walk. I found that kind of pathetic.
  • Oh, and after locking himself away for nearly a decade, he decides to finally go out because of a burglary. Not too long after that (give or take, a couple of days), he decides to be Batman and fight crime again. Too sudden of a transition, specially with his condition.
  • Where the hell did Bane and his goons get those motorcycles from the Stock Exchange heist? And was I the only one who noticed that it went from daylight to darkness in just couple of minutes? That must have been a really long tunnel.
  • Bane just just broke into the Gotham City Stock Exchange building, fired some shots, hacked into their database, took some hostages and probably injured a couple of people in the process. Then, as he gets chased down by the cops, here comes Batman! After eight years of absence, he finally returns! "Hey, I think we should totally forget about chasing Bane and his men! Instead, let's get the Batman, because you know, he's totally relevant right now." Really?
  • Bruce's relationship with Miranda Tate seemed forced and unbelievable. I mean, they met a couple of times, and they start boning each other not too long afterwards. Sure, that's characteristic of Bruce, seeing how he's this billionaire playboy, but the whole relationship thing? Nah...
  • Where the fuck is this "hell of Earth" prison Bane sends Batman to? Apparently, it's somewhere really far away from Gotham. So then, why does Bane take his time to drop him off personally? To make him feel like shit? To rub it in his face that he has lost, and the Gotham is going to get destroyed? For a guy who really organized and coordinated, I expected him to just get his goons to drop him off.
  • "Oh, sure Bane! Let me transform this source of clean, sustainable energy into an atomic bomb. Gimme like, three minutes."
  • Apparently the Gotham City Police Department thought it would be smart to send their entire force into the tunnels to look for Bane. Yeah, smart.
  • Miranda Tata later reveals herself as Talia Al Ghul, the real mastermind behind all this chaos. Now, was it just me, or did that completely diminish the bad-ass, fearsome, terrifying Bane we were first introduced to from the beginning of the movie? After the Talia revelation, Bane ended up looking like this pathetic pet of the Al Ghul's, and that ruined the character for me.
  • Also, does Batman have Wolverine's healing ability? Because not only does he heal from a fractured spine with ancient forms of medical practice (a punch), but he quickly recovers from Talia's stabbing.
  • Batman knew about the bomb, which should be his main priority in saving Gotham and its citizens. But what does he do first (besides creating this awesome looking Bat symbol in the sky)? He decides to confront Bane. I mean, if he went to look for that bomb first, he wouldn't have to have "sacrificed" his life, as well as many of the policemen who did during that street war.
  • Bane beat the shit out Batman just a couple of months ago, and he left him nearly paralyzed. He has two vertebre healing. So... he decides to go toe to toe with Bane again? Hand to hand? Batman, you're supposed to be smart. Use your utility belt! Or kick! Kick someone, dammit!
  • I'm not entirely sure what happened to Bane? Did he die? I mean, this point shouldn't bug me, but it seemed like once Talia Al Ghul was introduced, Bane just felt thrown away.
  • Not only does the public think Batman sacrificed his life to save Gotham, but Bruce Wayne is also pronounced "dead." So, why is Bruce eating lunch in public? I mean, he's Bruce Wayne, one of the richest, most familiar faces on the planet. Someone is bound to recognize him. Sure, with the clean slate thing, he could've just erased his past, but really? He stepped out of the car in one of the earlier scenes, and everyone instantly knew it was Bruce, even after eight years of confinement. I'm sure someone would know his face in whatever European city he was in at the end.

Now, you're probably thinking "man, you must have really hated this movie!" No, that's not true. I gave this film a strong 7.7 out of 10 score in my review (but of course, while I was writing this, I wish I gave it a lower one). So why did I give this a pass? Well, as dark as this movie is supposed to be, I thought it was fairly entertaining, and the action sequences were phenomenal. And in IMAX, oh man, this film was an amazing spectacle. Also, I thought the movie concluded the whole trilogy really well, as it revisited older plot points from the previous films and what not. Sure, while this movie had a lot of problems script and storytelling wise, Nolan definitely has a keen eye in terms of visual artistry, and he ended his Batman story at an epic scale. So with everything said, I did enjoy The Dark Knight Rises, but this isn't the masterpiece everyone is calling it out to be.

AND HERE IS MY DARK KNIGHT RISES REVIEW.


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  1. While I agree with you about some of the plot holes, you really need to think deeper about some of the things you noticed/disliked. For example:

    -Wayne wasn’t just hiding out for those 8 years. He spent some of that time investing/building that nuclear reactor for clean reliable energy and nearly bankrupt his own company when he decided not to turn it on. Obviously, he also worked with Miranda during that time frame as well.

    -He decided to go out again because his deceased mom’s jewelry got stolen by Selina Kyle. Obviously, it was really important to him or else he wouldn’t have enclosed it in a “crack-proof” safe. Probably important enough for him to go out in public to retrieve it, especially if he knew where to find it.

    -Later on, he decided to fight crime again once he learned that his long-time friend, Gordon was shot and in the hospital. Furthermore, he found out the culprit was Bane, who had ties to Ra’s al Ghul. It was like the ghosts of his past were beginning to haunt him again, which is why he decided to don the suit once again.

    -Why does it matter that Bane personally escorted Bruce to the prison? Maybe he did want to rub it into Bruce’s face. That’s probably his personality trait and why question it. That’s like asking who in their right mind would dress up like a Bat and fight crime.

    -The clean source of energy has a fission reactor inside, that’s generally how nuclear reactors work. The core is highly unstable so even the smallest spark could have potentially triggered a nuclear reaction. The scientist is a nuclear physicist, he probably just attached a specific device that would caused a nuclear reaction

    -The reason he put up the Bat symbol is not for the villains, but to let all the other heroes/cops know that he’s back. It acted like a beacon of hope for people and was the catalyst for people to rebel against Bane. For example, Deputy Commissioner Peter Foley refused to help stop Bane until he saw the Bat symbol.

    -This one’s obvious, the reason he went after Bane instead of the bomb is because he’s scared that Bane holds the trigger to detonate the bomb. Which is why he gave Gordon a microwave emitter to prevent remote detonation. If he just took the bomb away, they would have triggered it right away.

    -This one’s obvious too. Selena Kyle shot Bane with the Batcycle’s gun. That gun is capable of reducing walls to nothing, I’m pretty damn sure Bane died after being shot through the chest.

    -Although I kind of agree on your last point about being seen in public, keep in mind that in Batman Begins he wandered around the world for years before Ra’s al Ghul discovered who he really was. If it was possible then, then it is certainly possible now, especially since he was declared “dead” to the world. People in the world would have probably brushed him off as someone who resembled Bruce.

    • - No. Obviously, it was stated that Bruce never met with Miranda prior to his 8 years of of hiding.

      - Obviously, Bruce is totally out of character. He’s established as he is this poor sap who’s depressed that his girlfriend got killed. But his company is losing its shares, Bane is out there terrorizing CIA operative planes, and once his mom’s pearl necklace gets stolen, he decides to go out of hiding. He decides to be a hero to hunt down a professional catburglar? That’s retarded.

      - He didn’t find out that Bane was part of the League of Shadows until their confrontation.

      - Yeah, who cares if he escorted Batman. But doesn’t Bane have better things to do, like taking over Gotham?

      - Yeah. It sounds like you know everything there is to know about how a nuclear reactor would work.
      - Couldn’t have Batman just waited until Gordon used the microwave emitter, so he could just fly down, pick it up and disarm it?

      - CORRECT! Bane, is dead. He better be.

      - A catalyst for who? The citizens of Gotham? They didn’t fight, the cops did, and the cops were trapped underground.

      - He was in a poor, third old country wandering the world. They don’t have television. Of course they wouldn’t know who Bruce is.

      • if the author couldnt figure it out on his own that bane died after being shot by catwoman, i wouldnt trust his analytical abilities. some things to add:

        -batman finally went out because he wanted to know why catwoman stole his fingerprints, not just for the pearls

        -it would have been easy for Bruce to sneak back into Gotham. he was in the league of shadows and learned how to conceal themselves to be almost invisible. its perfectly possible for him to sneak onto a cargo ship or something and fly back to gotham and sneak past all those guards at night. he is fucking batman after all

        -bruce said the fission reactor could be turned into a weapon and the scientist did just that.

        -would you know how charles koch looks like off the top of your head? he is one of the richest guys in the world. just because they are rich doesn’t mean they are recognizable by everyone in the world. for every recognizable billionaire like bill gates, there are dozens of billionaires that are more low key and people wouldnt recognize. bruce might be one of those, especially in another country

        this article is extremely nit-picky and the author seems to be searching for irrelevant flaws

        • Can someone tell me how does Mr Fox is able to get the “Bat” back and have them checked by the tech guys on fixing the auto-pilot?…cz i assume it would been torn to bits after the nuke went off rt?..i mean what does do those guys check to say that the auto-pilto was fixed months ago??
          Which again points me to another possible plot hole – would people know that bruce is batman when hes fixing the auto-pilot of a jet which so resembles the BAT??

      • Batman new bane was a member of the league of shadows before the brawl when Alfred told him

      • “He didn’t find out that Bane was part of the Leage of Shadows until their confrontation.”

        Incorrect. Alfred mentions it prior to that confrontation.

  2. This is so nit-picky. I don’t hear people complaining how Batman survived that gajillion story foot tall building in The Dark Knight. Or how The Joker conveniently was able to call into that one talk show at just the right moment before Reese was going to reveal his identity. But nooooo, people just HAVE to complain about TDKR because The Joker isn’t there to distract them from searching for plot holes. Try harder next time Richard.

  3. I’m Batman. I can do whatever I want. FUCK YOU.

  4. I know Nolan films can be hard to follow watching only “once” through. I had to watch Inception twice to fully gain it’s effects. How about trying to watch TDKR a couple more times so you can understand it better before nit picking? Everything you’ve mentioned can easily be explained, and most of the things you wrote were just classic movie conveniences, such as the CIA plane, or the fact that we don’t know where the “hell on earth” place is. I’m sure they just wanted it to stay secluded and secretive. And Batman has always been about theatrics. Try watching Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, and maybe you’ll understand better why he decided to go all “artsy” and make a burning bat symbol. And yes, Bane indeed died. Would YOU survive a freaking Bat-Cycle missile to the face? Don’t think so. Bane’s mask only prevents him from feeling pain, not make him immortal. As for John Blake…I mean, are you kidding me? He clearly explained it through the whole conversation he had with Bruce in his mansion…which is why Blake made Detective so easily. He’s obviously a very intelligent guy. I have a lot more to say, but all of this is just really petty. Just…watch the movie again so you can understand everything better. Kay?

    • Yeah. It’s not that nitpicky, it seems like you are taking emotional responsibility for this film, which isn’t necessary. One’s suspension of disbelief can only go so far, a few of these things, yes, can be forgiven, but overall…I don’t think so. You are so condescending, I think the writer of this article understood the film perfectly, as did I, but numerous things were extremely far-fetched, even for a comic-book flick. The John Blake thing, are YOU kidding me? Hundreds, if not thousands of people, detectives, P.I.s etc have all been trying to uncover batmans identity, and suddenly this kid from a ‘look in his face’ or whatever, goes, YEP you are batman. Boom. I’m awesome. Shut the fuck up. That’s ridiculous, don’t care how smart the character is meant to be, that’s just goddamn lazy writing and you know it. They could’ve easily written a scene which explained this better, even something like Blake seeing a similar scar or noticing a limp or anything more plausible than a look in his face. Ridiculous. Just…watch the movie again, maybe with a critical eye and then you won’t be so condescending because you might agree. Kay? Seriously, it’s an amusing film, but Nolan films aren’t ‘hard to follow’, it’s not about ‘understanding’ the film, if you can’t you are not doing well my friend.

    • Its not hard to follow or watch…you dont need more than one watch. Rises is not a good movie. Its just a big overstuffed mess. John Blake had no Fing point i. The movie at all, except to say his full name is Robin. Whoopie, such a twist “Sarcasm” Horrible horrible movie.

    • Blizzong is right, nolans movies are sometimes a little complicated and its hard to see through some details unless you get a full grasp at the movie when you first watched it. It took me twice to see the movie to really answer my questions, and to be honest all the alleged plot hole are answerable. I read some sites that complained bout plotholes and tried answering all of them. Its really tiring though to provide answers to silly questions where answers are reallly obvious. When you write article or post commnts like this you pretend to be good movies critics but you cant even comprehend simple details.i dont know if your just dumb or you just refuse to dig in for for answers by yourself. If your such a bunch of whiners, go and direct the perfect movie yourself

  5. Richard, you’ve just made a lot of enemies.

  6. You sir, are an idiot.

    You know how he got back to Gotham? HE’S THE FUCKING BATMAN! That’s how.

  7. “Bane beat the shit out Batman just a couple of months ago, and he left him nearly paralyzed. He has two vertebre healing. So… he decides to go toe to toe with Bane again? Hand to hand? Batman, you’re supposed to be smart. Use your utility belt! Or kick! Kick someone, dammit!”

    He DID kick. He kicked Bane through a door, and then kicked him again on the ground. lol fail reviewer.

  8. Richard, people will hate you, because you’re the critic Gotham deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So they’ll hate you. Because you can take it. Because you’re not our hero. You’re a silent writer. A movie watcher. A dark knight.

  9. Your review is like smoking salvia and I don’t understand why its so popular.

    You ignored the most relevant problem with TKDR, which was the horrible casting of Catwoman. Anne Hathaway is not cool enough to play Catwoman, and she’s never really done any amazing acting. Sure, she’s pretty, and just as fit as anyone else, and I know she tried her best but she just sucks as Catwoman.

    I could go over all of your “critiques” and explain why you’re nitpicking but it’s not worth it because this is the internet. If you want to do this seriously, I suggest taking a course in script analysis…

    • Anne Hathaway was hot as shit as catwomen, you are beneath me.

      • Yeah. I agree. She was “hot as shit”. Her acting smelled like shit. She looked like shit. And your taste must clearly be shit.

        • Script analysis? WTF are you talking about? The movie had some plot holes/inconsistencies. Period. Why do people defend this superhero movie like it’s the second coming? Get a life. IT’S. JUST. A. MOVIE.

          • Which is why people should stop writing long ass articles about its plotholes. Thousands of movies, books, TV shows, games etc have plotholes and they’re still hugely successful with a massive fanbase.

            What, because it’s Chris Nolan he’s exempt from the rule? Who cares. It’s just a movie.

  10. I can honestly agree that this movie is far from the masterpiece that some people claim it to be. TDKR is a great movie, but it is not the best Batman movie ever. A worthy conclusion, yes, but I’m not sure it will reside in peoples minds many years after. Perhaps, people are just saying its a masterpiece after having such an adrenaline high from just watching the film.

    • Adding to my point, I don’t think TDKR is a masterpiece because it doesn’t really introduce any groundbreaking elements in cinema. A true masterpiece should not only entertain, but introduce some new technical or story elements never done on film. Sure, this was an amazing action spectacle, but there isn’t any true reasons why this film would be deemed a timeless masterpiece.

      • This is a stupid point thats like saying a painting can only be a masterpiece if a brand new form of paint stroke or colour is used to create it.

        • Nice try about your analogy with painting, because painted masterpieces from say the Renaissance or even Picasso’s work introduced new techniques and styles that deem their work as masterpieces, but thats a different story.

          Again, this movie just isn’t the masterpiece everyone is raving about. It’s entertaining and visually spectacular, and I commend Nolan for wrapping up his Batman Trilogy nicely, but it isn’t THAT big of a deal in the broader scope of cinema.

  11. Im thinking that prison is in Turkey, but i think the origin story in the comic was in south america. But i think it was left to the imagination of desolate asia, so as to tie in with the china/himilayas being Ras Al Ghuls sphear of influence in the first one.

    • The prison scenes were filmed in India, according to IMDB. I believe in the comics Bane is from a fictional Latin American island nation called Santa Prisca or something. But in the DKR film we never learn exactly where it is.

      OR FOR THAT MATTER, HOW BRUCE SNUCK SO EFFORTLESSLY BACK INTO OCCUPIED GOTHAM, WHICH IS MOST CERTAINLY A PLOT HOLE.

  12. Sir, I can’t believe you’re missing the biggest plot hole of them all: The Joker. Bane freed all the inmates, including the Scarecrow, which had some pretty hilarious screentime, but what about the clown? Last time I watched the Dark Knight, Batman didn’t kill him off. So… where is he?

    HUH?! WHERE’S MY GODDAMN JOKER !!!

    WHERE IS HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE?!??!?!?!

    • Austin, let me clear some things up for you.

      Bruce wasn’t in hiding for 8 years. He was out and about for an undisclosed time, in which he aquired both the fusion reactor and the clean slate program that Selena was after. He went after Selena to find out why she took his finger prints. His intrests lie in Gotham, not CIA.

      Bruce and Miranda/Talia knew each other before the events of the movie. It was her clean energy program that Bruce invested in that almost caused him to go broke. He realized that the fusion core could be used as a weapon (which by anyone who’s taken a high school science class would know) and shut the program down.

      The Joker was in Arkham Asylum (which is on an island apart from Gotham), not Blackgate Penitentiary. Bane only busted open Blackgate.

      Bruce found out Bane had ties to the League before they fought, Alfred did the research after Gordon told him in the hospital.

      Also, of course Bane would personally escort Batman to the prison, would you risk the possibility of the only person who is able to stop from getting there?

      I’m just suprised that with all you people nit picking on this movie none you mention the parts where batman kills people with the weapons on his Batcopter.

      • I mean… no one says where the Joker is… But I guess that, if some criminal (terrorist) holds hostage a city, at least for a couple of hours, in US (cause now we are sure Gotham is in the US). This terrorist, when captured, wouldn end at Arkham Asylum, or blackgate prison… no, this guys is Bin Laden, is Hussein, this guuuy is a real bad guy and the CIA would keep him prisoner in the most secure place they could afore (if not, maybe, just killed him).

    • Obviously he Heath ledger died. so Nolan decided not to have one out if respect you can just assume he died in those 8 years at arkham or realise bane only freed people from black gate prison-something like that not arkham asylum

  13. Hi. Firstly, thank you for caring enough about the movie to take such time to dissect it but I feel your time would have been better spent rewatching to see what you missed. I’ve only seen Rises once so if I’m mistaken on any of these points excuse me but hopefully this clears some issues up for you.

    - I think you missed the point that Bruce Wayne chose John Blake as his successor BECAUSE of his deduction prowess! I fail to accept your premise that you wouldn’t recognise someone you idolise if his cheeks, nose & forehead are covered up, especially if you had the skills to eventually become a detective.

    - Correct me if I’m wrong but Bane doesn’t break his back. He uses the same backbreaker type strike which he does in the Knightfall comic but his injury seems more like a dislocated vertebrae & broken ribs which while incredibly painful heal in relatively quick time so 5 months (the time until the bomb goes boom) is sufficent time.

    - Getting into Gotham is piss easy. He could have walked in… backwards! Bane was very clear that no-one could leave & any sign of government or military interference would blow the bomb but they clearly left the one bridge for supplies etc. Bane wasn’t guarding the bridge & the army were only stopping defectors.

    - Batman is a bit prone to acts of self promotion but my theory on the flaming bat is that Bane showed Batman in the first fight that he has the advantage when it comes to the LOS tactics (darkness & stealth) so Batman’s response is to come at Bane straight ahead, letting him know in advance & then fighting him in daylight on a street. You could also argue that he was throwing it up as a call to arms or a warning to criminals that he’s back.

    I’ll not tackle your smaller problems but I’m quite sure you can find answers if you rewatch.

  14. This guy obviously has never read a comic book in his life! Or even go back to Batman Begins and The Dark Knight and see how it connects to every plot hole in this film! Stop being a Nostalgia freak and enjoy the goddamn film! Next you’ll probably bitch about Tarantino’s films not having romance!! “The world is too small for Bruce Wayne to disappear no matter how deep he chooses to sink” He has powerful friends in South Asia or like Alfred said “An ancient part in a world” that could get him back to Gotham… He has access to the clean slate and managed to get to Wayne Manor (Wayne Manor is located outside of Gotham) Ra’s al Ghul taught him how to walk on ice, mind his surroundings, and keep sure-footing! He could just light the bridge up because he IS BATMAN! and walk on ice! And John Blake is Tim Drake, Jason Todd, and Dick Grayson combined so he could figure out who Bruce really is! They took elements from ‘The Dark Knight Returns, Knightfall, and No Man’s Land so that will answer your questions! I think you’re wasting too much time on your hands and really forgot the point of this whole film! It’s like you weren’t thinking before you posted this and forgot it’s a “COMIC-BOOK MOVIE!!!” Every film has plot-holes! LOTR, Godfather, Avengers, You name it! Some of your statements are silly and your questionable plot-holes are flat out nonsense although I will give you this… You have the balls to post this and I agree about the whole “Stock Exchange” thing where it goes from Daylight to Night but when Nolan says “this is the end of his trilogy” It makes me pissed off to see the ending not knowing.. Is Robin Batman? Is Robin Robin? Is Robin Nightwing? Robin doesn’t have any skills like Batman does, Is Bruce dead or Batman dead? Is Alfred dreaming or did he just wish for Bruce to start a family? Will Catwoman and Blake get their own spin-offs? Will Nolan be involved? See those are the type of holes that matter!

    • Those are not the holes that matter they’re called cliffhangers like the top in inception but I do agree on some things u mentioned

    • To answer your quetions, Batman is dead at the end of the movie Bruce is finally able to let go of all the feelings he had that made him Batman, he fianlly saved Gotham so he’s able to retire with Selina and a clean slate, he left co-ords for John Blake to the bat cave so he can be Gothams new protector if it ever needs one. Simple.

  15. —”The very opening sequence: don’t you find it hard to believe that the CIA would just let people on their plane without any kind of verification to who they are? Yeah, same here. “—

    Actually if you look closely the person that transports the three hostages onto the plane from the car is actually Josh Stewart who plays Bane leuitenant in the league of Shadows later on in the film. It makes sense that the League of Shadows has men inside the CIA.

    Also watch the film lots of times before claiming everything to be plotholes. Nolan pretty much gives you hints and clues for every single plothole you claim to be explained. You just have to use your own imagination and not let everything be spoon fed to you.

    I mean if you are going to get onto this type of miner niggles then everything will seem like a plothole to you:

    e.g — How does Bane shave or eat? Who cares? Come on enjoy the film because if you want to start going down this route then you will find pretty much as many so called “Plotholes” for every movie that ever been released.

    • I had to laugh when I read this, as it had the identical plot-holes in it, that I have been ranting about all day to friends on FB. The biggest travesty however was the ending. I hate Steven Spielberg type ends that make a big emotional sacrifice hollow.

      Why not have the balls to say Bats had died. Why not leave Bats as a paralysed cripple with Blake taking over mid way in the film?

      Why wait FIVE months to blow the bomb? why not two months, three months?

      How could the ENTIRE police force survive underground for three months even on rations and not be physically ill and weak? How did their radio batteries last that long?

      How did the police not get mowed down by 5.56mm assault rifles. The whole lot would have been shredded 250meters from the building?

      So many missed opportunities, and so many pathetic fanboyz trying to pretend that this was the masterpiece it clearly wasn’t..

  16. I hate all people who dont like my film.

    Go get him boys *Lets of Nolanites*.

    • You think this is bad? You should see the hatred for Superman which causes everyone involved to be exiled from Hollywood. Marianne won’t even return my calls & I am her entire English speaking career! Turns out Superman was a shit character because he’s either invincible or a totally helpless & the difference is a green stone… oh & his arch enemy has no powers!

  17. Maybe I missed it, but how does Lucius figure out Bruce fixed the autopilot, on a vehicle that just blew up in a nuclear blast?

    • He doesn’t. The software patch found is on another Bat, the one he showed him at the beginning before telling him it also comes in black. The question you should be asking is why Bane & co didn’t use it.

      Also I personally want to know why Nolan called it “The Bat”. I’m not a “it’s a travesty he didn’t call it Batwing/pod” guy but it sounds awkward when people are referencing it. Just call it something catchy & more marketable (which you could then copyright if my business mind comes into it)

  18. Wow these replies to the author’s posts show just how much intelligence most of these posters have. Well I guess the producers banking on most people watching this movie being idiots was right on the money. You all love a movie series so much that you blindly defend a movie that is full of plot holes that are around every corner.

    The author made an OBJECTIVE review. He even gave the movie 7.7 out of 10. I would’ve given it a bit lower. By the way I loved the first two batman movies but this one doesn’t even come close to the quality of the first two (as far as a believable plot goes). I will say that every other element of the movie was excellent. However, the plot is one of the most vital if one the most vital part of a movie. TDKR completely dropped the ball in the plot department.

    One poster defends the gasoline made bat signal as a “hope for the city” and another as “its artsy that’s why it was done” and the best one “Cuz he is batman.” You all make me sick, that was one of the stupidest scenes in the movie; completely pointless and logic defying. For a scene that is unrealistic to be believable it has to make at least some sort of sense.

    I could give an explanation for every plot hole defended by every moron that posted but frankly I don’t have the time so I will just concentrate on the scene above. I’m going to list some traits of batman/the batman series.

    1. Batman’s main goal/priority is to protect innocent people from injustice, crime etc.

    2. He values human life to such an extent that he would rather lock up a dangerous criminal who has the potential to escape over killing them.

    3. Batman’s persona in the comics, cartoon and movie is designed around a character who uses his intelligence, technology and strategy to thwart his adversaries.

    So taking those three point above in to account why the fuck would he waste time making a bat signal when

    1. He knows there is a nuke that is on the clock that will go off soon, so he should spend his time searching for that. So there goes his priority.

    2. This nuke will kill millions of people and he values human life so maybe he should spend time searching for it instead making retarded flame bat symbols. And there goes his main goal of saving human lives.

    3. This stupid bat signal will take away his element of surprise so it gives the enemy advance warning that he’s back and gives them plenty of time to prepare for his arrival. There goes his intelligence and strategy.

    4. I guess giving “hope to the city” is more important than all the points above.

    5. I guess every director should explain away stupidity in the plot as them making the movie “artsy” and idiots will be happy with that explanation.

    So after reading the points above please do try to defend the flaming bat signal I would love to see it. By the way to the poster above “Joe’ ; You are the biggest hypocrite of all. You claim the author “has never read a comic book in his life.” It’s obvious you haven’t read the batman comics. If you actually read the comics like you claimed you would know the points about batman that I just listed and would’ve understand why the flaming bat signal was so ridiculous. You’re nothing but a blind immature fan boy.

    • “please do try to defend the flaming bat signal”

      I would say “challenge accepted” if it was actually a challenge. But it really must seem like one in your head. And you call other people idiots. How about that the flaming bat signal serves the exact same purpose as the searchlight bat signal (you know, the one in the two previous movies and all batman comics that you accuse others of not having read). And the purpose is this: it lets criminals know that batman is coming, something that he WANTS. You know, because “criminals are a superstitious cowardly lot” (now where does that quote come from). Yes, probably bane won’t be intimidated by that trick, but it wasn’t meant for him in the first place, as the batman will be taking him on directly. It was meant for the rest of the scum that got cocky under bane’s wing and in batman’s absence. But not anymore.

  19. Are people gonna completely ignore the fact I blew up at the stadium? No reference after this happened. No ceremony? Nothing? It’s cool…fuck Gotham anyway, Im going back to Lost.

    • You sir are my hero! I completely forgot about that… twice. I guess no-one worries because you are immortal (or live forever because Jacob makes stupid bets with Billy Joel or whatever… Plot holes from Lost are a totally different frustration)

  20. I agree with most of these points in the replies as well, this movie had its flaws. Don’t deny it “fanboys”, and don’t act like it ruined the movie “haters”. I do however love the fact noone fought the Day to night transition after the stock exchange. that was my biggest peeve with the movie and showed huge lack of continuity on everyones part. Also you’re telling me a 10 yr old girl can make a jump but a full grown BATMAN cannot? not until he has fear? fuck that! he should be able to reach out and grab the damn ledge. this isnt Spiderman 2, you dont lose you’re abilities due to a “feeling”

  21. “The very opening sequence: don’t you find it hard to believe that the CIA would just let people on their plane without any kind of verification to who they are? Yeah, same here.”

    As stated before in a previous post, a Bane mercinary escorted him onto the plane.

    ” You would also think, a plane being used by the CIA would be able to detect an incoming, non-stealth aircraft hovering over them. Boy, doesn’t Bane have it easy. He was also lucky he wasn’t shot at first.”

    CIA agents flying into remote areas of the world would not be traveling in Air Force 1. More than likely it would be in a smaller private plane as portrayed in the film.

    ” So, it’s been eight years since the events of The Dark Knight. What has Bruce Wayne been doing all this time? Greving over Rachel’s death? For almost a whole decade? I mean, Bruce is so sad, apparently he doesn’t even bother going out, AT ALL. And because Bruce turns into this unsociable hermit, he loses some functionality to his legs, and needs to use a cane to walk. I found that kind of pathetic.”

    Bruce was not in seclusion until three years ago when the scientist published his report about the ability to create a nuclear weapon. After essentially failing at his last attempt to help Gotham, he went into seclusion.

    ” Oh, and after locking himself away for nearly a decade, he decides to finally go out because of a burglary. Not too long after that (give or take, a couple of days), he decides to be Batman and fight crime again. Too sudden of a transition, specially with his condition.”

    The necklace, although as reiterated at the end of the film is extremely valuable, was not the reason he came out of seclusion. Why Selina stole his fingerprints was the reason, and his interest in resuming his other identity came full circle when he learned from Alfred that Bane was a member of the League of Shadows.

    ” Bane just just broke into the Gotham City Stock Exchange building, fired some shots, hacked into their database, took some hostages and probably injured a couple of people in the process. Then, as he gets chased down by the cops, here comes Batman! After eight years of absence, he finally returns! “Hey, I think we should totally forget about chasing Bane and his men! Instead, let’s get the Batman, because you know, he’s totally relevant right now.” Really?”

    There were already mercenaries concealed throughout the building before Bane even arrived. Also at this point, little is known of Bane, as Gordon is the only one to see him. The police have no idea WHO was in the Stock Exchange, and have to reason to think it was anything more than a robbery. Go after a murder/robbery suspect or the man who killed Gotham’s white knight?

    ” Bruce’s relationship with Miranda Tate seemed forced and unbelievable. I mean, they met a couple of times, and they start boning each other not too long afterwards. Sure, that’s characteristic of Bruce, seeing how he’s this billionaire playboy, but the whole relationship thing? Nah…”

    That is the entire point of the relationship. Bruce is vulnerable and Meranda/Talia took advantage of the opportunity to gain his trust and alliance.

    “Where the fuck is this “hell of Earth” prison Bane sends Batman to? Apparently, it’s somewhere really far away from Gotham. So then, why does Bane take his time to drop him off personally? To make him feel like shit? To rub it in his face that he has lost, and the Gotham is going to get destroyed? For a guy who really organized and coordinated, I expected him to just get his goons to drop him off.”

    Would you rather be given the death penalty, or rot in a cell for the remainder of your life, having each day a constant reminder of the failure your life has turned out to be? Death would have been a less painful experience if the bomb had gone off.

    “Oh, sure Bane! Let me transform this source of clean, sustainable energy into an atomic bomb. Gimme like, three minutes.”

    He’s a nuclear physicist. Enough said.

    “Apparently the Gotham City Police Department thought it would be smart to send their entire force into the tunnels to look for Bane. Yeah, smart.”

    I would assume they did this to avoid all possible paths to escape. Can you imagine the complexity of a sewer system under a city as big as Gotham?

    ” Miranda Tata later reveals herself as Talia Al Ghul, the real mastermind behind all this chaos. Now, was it just me, or did that completely diminish the bad-ass, fearsome, terrifying Bane we were first introduced to from the beginning of the movie? After the Talia revelation, Bane ended up looking like this pathetic pet of the Al Ghul’s, and that ruined the character for me.”

    Cheap parlor tricks to conceal one’s true identity, as stated in Batman Begins.

    “Also, does Batman have Wolverine’s healing ability? Because not only does he heal from a fractured spine with ancient forms of medical practice (a punch), but he quickly recovers from Talia’s stabbing.”

    The vertebrae was reset, and was placed in an immobilized state until recovery began. I agree that the falls from the pit would of damaged or re injured his back, but this is a movie after all. And five months of healing for someone in great physical shape allows me to let this piece of movie magic slide.

    ” Batman knew about the bomb, which should be his main priority in saving Gotham and its citizens. But what does he do first (besides creating this awesome looking Bat symbol in the sky)? He decides to confront Bane. I mean, if he went to look for that bomb first, he wouldn’t have to have “sacrificed” his life, as well as many of the policemen who did during that street war.”

    Again as stated in a previous post, the biggest threat at the time was getting the detonator from Bane. Gordon and Blake were still closing in on the bomb’s exact location.

    “I’m not entirely sure what happened to Bane? Did he die? I mean, this point shouldn’t bug me, but it seemed like once Talia Al Ghul was introduced, Bane just felt thrown away.”

    Bane was shot with the same weapon that a few minutes prior, blew up a pile of cars blocking the tunnels. I don’t think Bane will make an appearance in Batman 4.

    ” Not only does the public think Batman sacrificed his life to save Gotham, but Bruce Wayne is also pronounced “dead.” So, why is Bruce eating lunch in public? I mean, he’s Bruce Wayne, one of the richest, most familiar faces on the planet. Someone is bound to recognize him. Sure, with the clean slate thing, he could’ve just erased his past, but really? He stepped out of the car in one of the earlier scenes, and everyone instantly knew it was Bruce, even after eight years of confinement. I’m sure someone would know his face in whatever European city he was in at the end.”

    Everyone in GOTHAM knew him. Falconi even said in Begins that you’d have to go a 1000 miles to find someone who doesn’t know your name. It’s roughly 4000+ miles from the east coast to Italy.

  22. You criticize people for making stupid points “John” but then you say “This nuke will kill millions of people and he values human life so maybe he should spend time searching for it instead making retarded flame bat symbols” How intelligent you are indeed LOL. I don’t see how you could disprove your OWN “status” you set for yourself anymore by saying the bat signal is retarded. Firstly lets set up a little background for myself for the sake of everyone else. I have seen all 3 movies, i have watched this newest one 3 times so far. I have read many comics of batman, and i also think even though a few plot holes presented by this article are easily explainable or are pointless to look at, i agree with many of the things the reviewer said. Here’s why you are wrong and “make me sick” for lack of a better phrase ;) oh btw i am not better than anyone on here and you are not all stupid like our Genius above stated. If he had so much intelligence, he wouldn’t have set himself above everyone. That makes it much too easy to fail, which he did, miserably.

    1. The Bat signal does bring hope to the people. It is a symbol just as batman is, it inspires ordinary people to stand up and fight and have hope.

    2. It also strikes fear into villains and crime-doers as seen many times in the dark knight with the actual bat signal. Do you think that one is retarded too? or just gives away batman’s element of surprise? You are completely wrong.

    3. I think you almost answered your own question with your number 4, Yes, Haha “giving hope to the people” is a much better point than all of yours, (“the bat signal wastes time and is retarded”)

    4. These movies ARE NOT THE COMICS, while they may have some parallels they are most definitely not following the comics very well at all. So your number 3 can be thrown out the window (along with your other for lack of a better word “retarded” points)

    5. I think the “artsy” other posters were referring to is not the directors quality, but Batman’s. He was trained by the league of shadows and they specialize in : martial arts, stealth, intimidation, and theatricality. Got that? THEATRICALITY. So yes your retarded mind (lowering myself to your level) might be thinking “oh artsy paintings on a wall” but you would be soo so wrong.

    6. One of the things that bothered me most about this movie though with the begging and the plane scheme to make it look like the nuclear scientist died in a plane wreck. Did anyone else notice that the wings fell off? then like 5 minutes later the tail? and then the body dropped to the ground? I don’t know about you guys, and correct me if I’m wrong but that seemed like it would be a weird, weird plan crash. I know that parts break up and spread out, but that much? really? i don’t see how anyone surveying the wreckage could have thought that was a legit plane crash and that the nuclear scientist was indeed dead.

    • Wow where do I start? Let me start by saying you’re the exact type of person I was referring to in my previous thread. You made two separate arguments in your post. First, was related to my style of writing and how it correlates with low intelligence. Second, was why my argument did not make sense. I will explain to you in a very logical and simple way why neither of your arguments holds any merit.

      Let’s start with the critique of my style of writing. Your first sentence pointed out that because I used words/phrases such as retarded, make me sick, bat symbol etc.; it equates to me having low intelligence. Just from that first sentence I start building a profile on you. First, it means you have absolutely no concept of which qualities are a SURE sign of low intelligence. So I’m also safe to assume that this means your level of wisdom and critical thinking is most likely very low. You’re able to connect simple concepts such as thinking that crude language translates to low intelligence but you fail to understand that there could be many other reasons for my use of certain words.

      My use of simple/crude grammar could mean that I have a limited vocabulary or that I was trying to convey a certain emotion. In my case it is the latter. Although there’s a chance crude grammar could mean that I have low intelligence; that is not the case with me. As you can see this post is very eloquent compared to my previous post. I’m illustrating to you that my grammar is not lacking. Also, an additional reason for my crude grammar was to insult those who made illogical points to prove that the movie made sense.

      Another quality you most certainly possess is hypocrisy. You point out that my intelligence must be low because I’m insulting people in my posts yet you do the same thing to me. For the record, I’m ONLY typing this post using better grammar but one of my objectives in this post is to insult you. So please don’t bring that up as a reason for me having low intelligence because I’m doing it on purpose. So I hope you understand why your first argument holds no merit.

      Next, let’s tackle numbers 1-4 of your counter argument. In 1-3 your stating “the bat symbol makes sense because it gives people hope, strikes fear into Batman’s foes and was the most important priority for batman in context of the movies.” Do you realize (I’m going to get crude on purpose here please don’t think I’m stupid: D) how stupid you are? The entirety of my previous post was centered on people who previously made the same arguments and why it was completely illogical. And you use the same argument that I disproved?

      You did not make a single statement that gave a logical argument to why I did not make sense. You just stressed the previous points and stated “my point is better than yours.” That’s the equivalent of many people saying “a Honda civic is faster than a Lamborghini Gallardo because it looks faster.” Than someone comes along; points out all the technical specs as to why that is simply not true and calls everyone else morons. Then you come strutting along saying “hahaha you have low intelligence because you called people morons and the civic is faster because it looks faster!” That’s exactly how stupid you sound in your argument about why the plot holes I pointed out are irrelevant.

      So now I can assume you have serious issues in comprehending logic. This is a one of those qualities I was talking about that can equate to having a strong probability that the person might not be the “sharpest tool in the shed.” Your argument is centered on emotions; in fact, your entire post is filled with emotion. Don’t confuse human emotions with “emotional thinking.” You’re the latter and usually that leads to actions, words and statement’s based on emotion. That in itself is not a sign of low intelligence but it means any intelligence the person has is irrelevant. This is because you aren’t using it. For example, it’s the equivalent of being able to lift 1000 LB with your arms. You are given a task that requires you to lift 900 LB and you try to do it with your teeth. You being able to lift that weight is irrelevant because you aren’t using the part of your body that can lift it. So even if you do have a high IQ (which I highly doubt) it’s irrelevant because you use emotions in your arguments, don’t possess critical thinking and don’t have the wisdom to realize the previous two points. So therefore, you never correct your way of thinking and stay stupid.

      Now let me make a reiterate my previous argument in-depth to illustrate why number 1-3 are completely illogical. Let me start by giving a real life example. Let’s assume that there is a city that possesses a SWAT sniper so deadly that even telling the bad guys that he’s being deployed on scene strikes fear into the heart of the enemy. Now let’s assume a single terrorist has taken 20 people hostage and has made it clear that he’s going to kill them. He has made it 100% certain he is not surrendering under ANY circumstance.

      This terrorist said if his fellow terrorists that are not released from Guantanamo Bay in 1 hour he will kill all the hostages. He is standing by a window that gives a clear shot to his head. So would you go with option 1 which is: take 50 minutes to get dressed fully in his SWAT gear and dramatically walk across the street to his sniping spot in plain view so the terrorist can see “to strike fear into the terrorist and give hope to the hostages.” And have just 10 minutes to shoot the terrorist who now knows the sniper is here to kill him so he will take cover, kill the hostages or both.

      Or option 2 which are: The SWAT sniper grabs the minimal gear and sneaks unannounced to his sniping spot in 20 minutes. This gives him plenty of time to prepare a 1 kill shot to take out the threat and save the lives of the hostages. Obviously anyone who is not a total moron would say that the sniper should exercise option 2.

      Now in case you’re a complete fool and can’t understand how that relates to TDKR here is the explanation. One of Batman’s strongest beliefs is that he does not kill the villains. His preservation of human life is a higher priority to him than anything else. He illustrates this in TDK by his unwillingness to want to kill joker under the most extreme circumstances in which most people would resort to deadly force. So there goes your argument number 4 (even though your argument was already irrelevant because I clearly stated his values in the comics AND movies so I referred to his beliefs in the movie in my previous post.)

      This equates to you lacking attention to detail (by not even completely reading my sentence) or your blind. If I was a betting man I would go with lack of attention to detail. This is another sign of maybe possessing low intelligence. Back to my point; why the hell would batman waste hours making a flaming bat signal, walking across thin ice in a heavy suit which can make him sink to make the signal light up from the ice , while his friends are being lead to execution and while there is a bomb that’s going off very soon??

      It goes against batman’s primary belief of preserving human life. Lets just take commissioner Gorden into account. Batman took the signal to the EXACT spot where the comish was led to be executed. So he knew the exact time and location of his execution. So why would he waste time making the bat signal when his friends life is in danger and even let him walk onto the ice a bit BEFORE rescuing him None it makes any sense at all. It completely goes against the Batman character and human logic in general.

      Sure by his actions he is giving people “hope and striking fear” (note the extreme sarcasm) but he is also endangering the lives of his friends, giving the enemy more time to better prepare for his arrival and gives them the option to set the bomb off now. So how does lighting the bat signal make any sense?? By now I hope you realize how ridiculous your argument was. If not then you’re a bigger fool then I thought and will never be anything else. However, please feel free to write a rebuttal to my argument if you have any LOGICAL reason why my points are invalid.

      • I’m gonna make this plain and simple. Batman neede to get directly to Bane. With a million freakin mercenaries in the way, he can’t just “do” this. To keep them busy, he makes the batsignal to rally the cops against them. Bane won’t set the bomb off because of the cops, because he’s about “giving Gotham to the people,” and at this point he doesn’t believe he can be stopped anyway. Plus he wants Batman to feel failure.

  23. People need to realize this is a comic book movie. A Batman movie. This isn’t real life. You can find plot holes in almost every comic book movie if you’re hella nitpickiy about it. But than where would the suspense be?… I do see both sides though. I understand why people would be frustrated with some of the “plot holes” in tdnr. Just agree to disagree. I didn’t find any of them to bother me at all. Come on, he’s Batman for a reason haha

  24. Here’s some things you’ve all missed

    1. I have checked Wikipedia & “Gotham City” doesn’t even exist!

    2. In real life Bruce Wayne wouldn’t have a conscience because of his sizeable bank balance!!

    3. How could Bruce Wayne become Batman & never once reference his dealings with Nikola Tesla around the turn of the 20th century!!!~

    4. If you were a multi-billionaire & haven’t been laid in 8 years, clearly you are not mentally sound & have no business fighting crime!!!!

    5. If Bruce Wayne learned all his skills from the leader of the A Team, surely he could McGyver a more effective method to climb out of a hole!!!!!

    6. It’s a movie!!!!!!

    ~ If you haven’t seen the Prestige you may miss this reference

  25. Dude, I’m not even going to bother addressing all of your “plot holes” except to say it really seems like you want every single detail spelled out for you onscreen, resulting in a 6 hour movie! Here’s a quick example; do you really think Nolan couldn’t have written some scenes showing how Bruce got back into Gotham? Of course he could have. Would those scenes have made the movie any better? Nope, just that much longer. Go back and look at your nitpicks with that perspective – would answering them on screen make the movie better.

    • First of all, Nolan doesn’t need to show EVERYTHING on screen, as that would have been a waste of time for everyone. I think this writer is just trying to point out that this movie has lazy writing. Nolan could have DONE something different to diminish all these plot holes, like rewrite some stuff, but instead he decided not to.

      Stop defending this film as if it’s perfect. IT’S NOT.

  26. Timeout I thought Alfred explained earlier that he always visualized he’d see Bruce at that cafe so y doesn’t anyone else think that that was exactly what it was at the end of the movie-a visualization

    • if it were Alfred’s visualization (at the end of the film)…then he would not have seen selina kyle with bruce…instead he would have seen bruce dating a “chimpanzee”….ha ha ha

  27. A lot of people don’t seem to realise that people see and understand things differenly.
    Almost all who have made coments about TDKR are fans who have read comics and seen comic book movies so I don’t think that most coments are hate campaign.
    Only time will tell if TDKR will acheive classic status like its predicesor but at the moment, from what I saw at the cinema, its going to be difficult after the dust settles.
    When sequels are rushed and turn out bad, they say there was not enough time to develop the right stuff. In this case what is TDKR’s excuse?
    Many give reasons for some of the flaws in the movie like, “he’s batman”, “you are not a script writer”, “its just a movie” and “you cannot explain everything” and many more. I personally tried to like the movie because I loved the first two and even refreshed my memory by watching them a week before TDKR came out. But like many who are bringing these plot holes out I was slightly disappointed because the movie can be discribe as a very pretty woman who has terrible bad coloured crooked teeth.
    Mixing the stories of Knightfall, The Dark knight Returns and the one on the Gotham riots was good but just poorly exercuted.
    Some of the plot holes are evident while watching whiles others come to mind later when you think of the film.
    1. Blake’s revelation of the secret identity, no matter what any may say, was rediculous. There was enough time to write this so they could have come up with a better way of him knowing it or fall backk on the lazy writing of sayin he was there that night unknown to Batman or Gordon. Better still they could have used the story of how one of the Robin’s followed Batman in secret to learn his identity.(yes it would have revealed him to be Robin earlier than intended)
    2. TDKR was always going to compete with TDK no matter what especially with the intro and the reason for the plane hijack was lame as well. (getting captured to know what the CIA knows about him and to fake his death). If Bane had men in the CIA they would know they know nothing about him or were he was or what he was up to. A better reason for the plane hijack would have justified it and then we might slightly over look CIAs terrible protocol of allowing people on the plane without proper checking. My explanation is the agent wanted to get back home on time to watch the begining of the new season of Glee.(I might be wrong but then who really knows).
    3. Broken Bat. Batman my be tough but he’s not Superman you know. In Knightfall when he was broken someone else had to take on the mantle to defeat Bane. Here he had 5 months to recover and still took on Bane with the same tactics and you expect us to believe he overpowers Bane when the first match was not even a contest.(and do not give me that”oh he trained hard in the prison”rubish.)
    4. Bomb survival. Lazy writing again. Logic would make you get rid of the bomb since he had something to block the remote signal first then look for Bane. For this stelth is required so do not waste time building a bat signal that is used in the comics to call you and get your attention. You do not need your attention to be called, you are already there, get on with it.(the only explanation i can come up with for Batman surviving the bomb is that he had a fridge in the Bat, after all he is a Billioniare playboy).
    5.Police stupidity. why do movies always show LEOs(law enforcement officers) as stupid if its not a cop movie. First The CIA as mentioned earlier and the the Police.
    No way should the criminals have left the stock exchang that easy even if the had hostages, loosing perps in the sewers and then not going down after the explotion had settled. The cherry on to is to send almost all the force down to fined a few men.
    6.Bane. Ruthless and kind. Here is a monster who enjoys killing and wants to kill a city by first blowing up parts of Gotham, the mayor, players on the football team, the scientist on the pitch and eventually everyone with a bomb. My question is why feed the trapped Policemen anyway? (it would take ages and energy to do so for one day let alone five months if they were gonna die anyway).
    7.Miranda. I have no proble with her sleeping with Bruce but her motives for destroying the city. Her hating her father but then wanting to finish his cause is a problem. Maybe in the comics she does not get on with her dad but that does not work here. Remove the estrange relationship then this sort of works. But then why does she want to comit suicide? Her dad protected himself and his men and only Gotham would have been destroyed. Surely since its a remote bomb they could have left the city and done it from the Bahamas.(do not give me crap about remotes not working from that distance. If you can accept a man surviving a bomb and the city not being radiated then this is far more plausible). Also why wait five months later to flood the chamber afterall they killed the scientist immediately to prevent the difusion of the bomb?
    8 The Joker. The movie dealt with a lot of issues from the 1st movie and a bit from the second. This required the mention in some form or the other what happened to him. The Joker caused the death of Rachel and Harvey to go bad so the focus should have been on the Joker even if they did not show his presence not Harvey.(How could Gordon explaine to the officials that Batman kidnapped his family and killed Dent when the Batman was busy fighting the Joker. What was Dent doing there? It would have been easier to say an unknown individual who got away giving a false discription of the perp).
    After all is said and done this is just my opinion and many share it as well. Others my have had a different expirience but I still say its a good movie with a lot of flaws.
    This year has been good for superhero movies and i hope they get at least 3 in the top 5 of the international boxoffice takings if not the top 3.

    • maybe you should have just wrote and directed the film

    • If you don’t understand how Batman could defeat Bane after his time in prison, I don’t think you were paying attention. Hint: forget the back healing, the most important benefits of Bruce’s time in prison were mental.

    • I didn’t understand how he survived the first time I saw it. The second time I realized they shove it right in your face. He survived because he put the bat in autopilot and escaped. I’m not gonna go into detail, because I want you to actually watch the movie again and put it together.

  28. You’re a idiot.

  29. “AT ALL. And because Bruce turns into this unsociable hermit, he loses some functionality to his legs, and needs to use a cane to walk. I found that kind of pathetic.”

    If you re watch the end of The Dark Knight, you would notice he was limping after getting the shit beat out of him by a metal object by Joker and also falling off the building with Harvey Dent you can easily see he can barely walk when trying to get to the Batpod. In short he was walking with a cane due to injuries he received during the events of The Dark Knight.

    “And not only that, how the hell did he get into the city? The bridges are all down, there are military guards on each passageway, Bane’s henchmen are all over the island, and the water surrounding the city is completely frozen.”

    You’re forgetting that Bruce Wayne was a part of the League of Shadows and was trained to get in and out of places unseen. Ra’s Al Ghul didn’t just teach him how the fight, he also taught him how to become invisible. He isn’t just some dipshit in a batsuit he knows his way around. Ra’s didn’t call Bruce Wayne his best student for nothing.

  30. Well,

    First of all… keep in mind… kind of important here… Bruce Wayne is a bit nuts. He is an OCD sociopath who happens to do the right thing. In Batman Begins, he flies half way around the world and spends seven years becoming Ras Al Ghuls best student. It’s not unfathomable that Bruce would obsess over Rachel’s and Harvey’s death.

    Bane, if he was ex-communicated by the league of shadows would have been quite jealous of Bruce. The comic boo Bane would have definitely made sure that Bruce went to this prison and went along. Way less terrifying if a henchman brought him.

    Bruce would have had money and means hidden all over the world for Batman to use.

    Miranda/Talia if she wanted to honor her father would have done anything to make sure that Bruce suffered

    I could add to more here, but those are a few points

  31. Don’t worry, from all the raving reviews I’ve gathered that what everyone really wants to see is Chris Nolan dangling his nutsack in the goatse position for 3 hours instead of BATMAN. Oh, and you better add this beauty to the list: the whole of GPD charging down main avenue reminiscent of the orcs in LOTR assaulting Minas Tirith. Or how about the 8 year old Talia who manages a leap that every prisoner (*except bane and batman) have failed to jump across.

    I hope Nolan’s salty testicles taste nice to you all because now you’ve just proven to him that he can spend six hours writing a screenplay and create a movie worthy of an ‘all time best’ position. Congratulations.

  32. These aren’t even plotholes retard. The very fact that ur using realism as an argument is a plothole in ur logic.

  33. Lol, look at all these fucking fanboys having a massive cry.

    This was a pretty accurate sum up of the most ridiculous shit in this film, you can only suspend your disbelief so far, right? I know it’s batman, and I’ve read a ton of the comics, played the games and watched all the movies, but this one was a wee bit of a let down. Good overall, but some of it was pure wtf.

    One thing you missed though pal, the nuclear explosion. Bitches. Would. Go. Blind. You simply cannot watch a blast like that (LET ALONE FROM A FUCKING FUSION REACTION, NOT EVEN FISSION) without going blind for at least weeks. Also, where was my shockwave at? I wanted to see some broken windows, but nope. C’mon guys…

    • For future reference:

      Please don’t half remember something which you heard/read & then pass it off as fact, it completely kills credibility for your argument. Saying that a nuclear blast six miles away would instantly blind Gothamites everywhere is simply wrong. Without spending a ton of time to research (I couldn’t be bothered honestly) I would imagine that your eyesight may be damaged if you were staring straight at the blast but even in those circumstances, I’d imagine that long term eye damage would be rare, most likely along the lines of a flash used by professional photographers.

      As for shockwaves, they’d be pretty mild due to the distance offshore & the fact that it was detonated in the air means energy is dispersed more evenly.

      Nuclear explosions as part of routine military training aren’t actually that uncommon believe it or not… Physics is our friend, chemistry is our bitch, biology is our weakness.

  34. as you mentioned this movie was a huge letdown.fucking fanboys go and rate it 9 but it doesn’t deserve it.ikiru should be put off from 250 list and this shit is gonna be at 12 level. just fuckkkk it.

  35. I love how some douche bags on this site are labeling the people who are taking the time to explain some of the posters plot holes and nip picks as “fan boys”. I bet those same guys that’s throwing the “fanboy” card are the same people that were licking Nolan’s ass calling The Dark Knight the greatest movie of all time when in reality that movie is the most overrated film in the Nolan Batman trilogy. I liked TDKR better than the TDK to be honest. I don’t think its the greatest movie of all time because it does have its flaws just like every other movie that has one sequel too many. My personal favorite in the entire Trilogy is still Batman Begins even though the back story was way off. Maybe on DVD and Blu Ray release they will have an alternate cut that explains some of those plot holes sorta like they did with Superman 2 releasing the Richard Donner cut that explains how the hell Superman got his powers back lol.

    BTW please forgive my bad grammar lol.

  36. It wasn’t clear, but given that Wayne’s funeral was for solely for people who knew he was Batman, I am not sure they DID announce that Bruce Wayne was dead. Perhaps for that very reason (it would be too coincidental). There has also been speculation that Alfred’s seeing him in Florence was Alfred imagining it as Alfred described he had done every year.

  37. I like some of these, and think some of them are things that don’t need further explaining. Like the Bruce/Miranda relationship – people can sleep together for many twisted reasons, and Bruce is certainly a bit twisted at this point.

    But some things are just plot holes, that can’t and shouldn’t be explained by, “It’s just a movie, get over it!” In my opinion, people who rely on that argument can’t possibly enjoy a seriously good movie.

    For instance, I don’t care about the broken back thing. I did think that his failed jumps would re-injure him a lot, but they were pretty vague about the seriousness of the injury, so it could’ve been possible. The one I DO care about is his knee injuries. He has lost all the cartilage in that knee, needs a brace to walk, and yet is totally fine when that brace is gone later. Cartilage doesn’t just grow back, especially when it’s already been gone for eight years.

    And the other big one is the nuclear bomb itself. I don’t know much about nuclear bombs, so I won’t say that the reactor couldn’t turn into one, but why did it have a countdown timer? How did they know to the second when it would explode?

    My other gripe – though not a plot hole – was that they called Blake ‘Robin’. Not Mr. Grayson? Mr. Drake? I get that many people seeing this movie wouldn’t actually know any Robin’s real name, but the more you know about the comics, the more you’re going to enjoy the movies. It would’ve been a nice little nod to the slightly more knowledgeable fans.

  38. For a start, I think that you’re forgetting that Batman is a comic book superhero and not a real person. So most of the crap you’re whining about is covered right there. Just remember, HE’S NOT A REAL PERSON. So when Batman (Bruce Wayne) recovers from a broken back or finds his way back to Gotham through an armed blockade or manages to wrap up his personal affairs before apparently being blown to smitherines, just remember: it’s a goddamn comicbook character. Superman’s not real either, but when you watch ‘Man of Steel’ when it comes out, don’t let the fact that we haven’t found any signs of intelligent life on other planets stop you from enjoying a movie about a human-like alien with superpowers

    Next…did you actually watch the movie? Did you watch it or start tweeting your complaints as soon as it started at the cinema? You’ve made a load of crap statements in your “stuff I disliked/noticed” section. You complain about Bruce Wayne being hung-up on Rachel for 8 years and later on you complain about Bruce sleeping with Miranda Tate. You are obviously still in your early to mid-teens and didn’t understand the relationship between Bruce and Rachel in the first two movies. It’s obvious that you’re a child or you would understand that after 8 years without female company, Bruce Wayne would have easily been deceived and fallen for someone whom he thought he had a connection with.

    “Where the fuck is this “hell of earth” prison”. You’ve never read the Batman stories that deal with Bane or you’d know about this.

    Most of your other comments are too childish to deal with, but I will comment on your complaint about Bruce Wayne starting his new life. Bruce Wayne was well known in Gotham City and, to a lesser extent, in the rest of the United States. At the end of the movie he’s seen eating lunch in Florence. I’m not sure if you’re aware of this, but the rest of the world doesn’t pay that much attention to the billionaires of the US. Trump and Gates are famous and their faces are well known, but there are a lot more in the US than that. The rest of the world doesn’t care. How many European billionaires would you recognise in the street? None. So why should anyone in Europe recognise Bruce Wayne? After all, the character never did anything to make world headlines.

    In summary, I’d just like to point out that you haven’t named any plot holes here at all. This is nothing more than a kid’s whine about a movie he didn’t get. Perhaps you just go see Madagascar 3 next time.

  39. Wanye Enterprises is nearly bankrupted by some ruinous trading effected by Bane when he takes over the Stock Exchange. Surely there would have been a pause in trading when Bane took over. A few minutes later, the only trades executed are calls or puts on Wayne Enterprises. These trades would stand out like a sore thumb! There is no way they would not have been reversed.

  40. - for a movie that is supposed to have at least half a foot in reality, the way the police force acts is rediculous.
    1. all the beat cops are sent in the sewers in marching band formations. no swat. no national guard. no army.
    2. once the cops are freed they march toward banes army in a shoulder to shoulder parade formation.

    more or less i agree with all of what you wrote… too lazy to write more.. bottom line….

    TOO MANY DELIBERATE PLOT HOLES AND INCONSISTENCIES TRYING TO BE COVERED UP BY EYE CANDY (although its some good candy) IS A BIT CONDESCENDING TO YOUR FANS MR NOLAN

  41. i got one i havent read anywhere yet….. when catwoman is luring batman to the bane trap through the sewer, batman doesnt realize the tunnels lead him to this huge atrium dug out under wayne tower? i mean he is “the world’s greatest detective”… i liked the movie overall but the convenient an inexplicable plot points are just a dime a dozen in this one

    • in this trilogy Bruce Wayne is not a detective… it was never said or hinted. The only detectives are Gordon AND THE NEW BATMAN detective john blake.

  42. this is stupid… you answare yourself with your own remarks…

    You say:

    “He stepped out of the car in one of the earlier scenes, and everyone instantly knew it was Bruce, even after eight years of confinement. I’m sure someone would know his face in whatever European city he was in at the end.”

    but you ask your self:

    “HOW THE FUCK DOES BRUCE GET BACK INTO GOTHAM? He has no money, no forms of identification”

    you can not connect information. jajaja and thats funny. its funny to see how idiots can’t connect intel they already have. Even if he is not recognizable he might have digital tracking, like photos, facebook page, corporation website, or so.. if people know he is reach… people will help (this also answers why he is not recognizable any more at the end… wayne is dead, and he is just a look a like called Pancho Pistolas).

    when he gets close to gotham he checks the paterns of the guards, then goes in.

    • im good with how he got back to gotham…. hes insane.. he probably has caches all around the world filled with equipment, money, passports ‘just in case’ just like the one nicolas cage had in lord of war

      alfreds reaction (or lack of) when he sees him alive is nonsense and no one recegnizing him is stupid too. if they didnt mention the auto pilot being fixed the question whether or not bruce wayne is still alive couldve been left to the audience (ala sopranos) i wouldve gone with him being dead and aseeing him was just wishful thinking on alfreds part

  43. He walked over the ice to get back onto the island… If you watched Batman Begins, he trains that specifically in the league of shadows. Bane died, people fuck randomly all the time. Backs do heal in 3 months. HE doesnt deny his ability cause he knows the kid knows. OH and he puts the bat symbol up to strike fear into the hearts of his opponents, the whole point of being BATMAN! Stop being an idiot, the movie is flawless, fucker.

  44. Bruce had to use a cane because of the fall with two face at the end of TDK you idiot

  45. during their first fight, bane told batman “i was born in darkness, shaped by it, molded by it. i didnt see the light until i was an adult. you simply adapted to it” so, why the hell did batman think it was bane who broke out of the pit as a child when bane told him he didnt see any light until he was an adult?

  46. Richard answered his own question about why Bane went out of his way to personally drop Bruce off at the prison. He did it to “make him feel like shit,” and “to rub it in his face that he lost.” Bane broke the bat and he wanted to revel in the fact that Bruce got his ass kicked. Plus it’s a movie, it’s not like Bane personally taking Bruce to the prison affected the plot in any way at all. This guy is looking for any reason to not like this movie

  47. After watching the movie 3 times, this movie was epic but the dark knight was much better..

    What bothered me a lot was how bane was unbeatable at the beginning, then once batman comes back he just beats him up by hitting him in the face and mask.. he could and should have done that during their first encounter. And also whats so over looked it through out the whole movie bane is such a huge character yet he just dies by catwomans shot and that scene is only shown for a second.. thats it? how are you gonna kill the main character in a second and not mention him at all. I didnt like that, and also having a nuclear bomb and a whole city hostage for months is just too much.

    The dark knight was about right and wrong and it was so deep. Harvey dent was so underrated because the joker performed so well. I think the studio forced this movie on nolan and of course he wanted the story to come to an end too. Just feel like the story could have been better, the movie was still epic just the story was not as great as dark knight.

  48. Isn’t the plot about bruce wayne creating a nuclear fusion reactor, which he is worried it may be used as a bomb? Because nuclear fission bombs already exists, the reactor wouldn’t be needed.

  49. The only thing I really didn’t like about this movie was the way they did Robin. They got him all wrong, he was adopted by Bruce not some cop who became a detective. I love Joseph Gordan-Levitt but they messed up the character.

    But even though this movie has its issues I still loved it.

  50. Another part I noticed was at the end when bat man is about to save Blake from those guys who want to kill him, batman is only using his hands and those guys have guns why don’t they shoot.

  51. Also during the NYSE robbery it was the middle of the day. It even shows a guy buying lunch. Then when the robbers take the bikes into the tunnel and then exit the tunnel it becomes the middle of the night. WTF


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